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 on: Today at 05:05:14 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
Asian carp have adapted to every environment we have spawning whatever. It's a freshwater fish it's supposed to do that. A fresh water fish will require fresh water fish to control it, just like the USGS and others have said.

  Why are we not doing that? Millions of dollars spent, Asian carp increasing/spreading as we speak not one native fish planted as a response? We have predators we need more a lot more!

  I am not controlling anything these are the facts what are we going to do about it?   It's our lakes and rivers?

 

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 on: December 14, 2017, 07:28:42 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
All these things are happening right now? And we/they are doing nothing? We should be doing something biologically the experts say tp restore native fish OK lets do that!

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 on: December 13, 2017, 12:33:10 PM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Neebo
I feel like you are just here to put words in people's mouths and argue.  I'm done.

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 on: December 13, 2017, 06:33:06 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
First of all we are not in any danger of having too many Native Fish far from it, creel limits can be adjusted for to many but then again way too far away from too many!  The catch limits in Michigan 35/50 per dayPerch are way to high Wisconsin 15 Perch Walleye we should be the same. 35/50 get a decent spawn gone in one year. Gobys spiny fleas red shrimp etc .... Perch Walleye eat them plenty of food we can stock Perch and Walleye and bring them back where they belong, I know for a fact the walleye pond in Muskegon they let what was left in the bottom the drain the pond thing was all the walleyes we got.

 Asian Carp currently can spawn anywhere no restrictions except electric barriers that only work if they get in it! Brandon Road lock proposed one spot only works IF they get in it.

 Restore the Native Fish population changes the conditions that the AC have to deal with, Predators they will eat eggs and fry and juveniles currently they have no restrictions the only weakness is they don't guard there eggs and fry we can exploit that weakness.

  We don't wait until after the fact we have gobys spiney fleas etc..... to get ready it inoly wors if the predators are in place. The Perch alone eat everything including zebra/quagga mussels there just need more of them a lot more!

  They (govt) can pursue whatever we just want to restore/stock the Native Fish that we don't have but we could have! What do you got to lose? More native fish instead on Asian carp? The experts (USGS) said if the plan does not include taking out juvenile Asian carp it wont work!  Native predators eat eggs fry etc......

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 on: December 12, 2017, 10:17:57 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Neebo
So you want to increase stocking of all native fish species to control asian carp eggs?  The solution is just to continue stocking?  Am I reading this right?  I guess the only isue I have with that is that increasing these numbers now will only stunt fish size.  There are no eggs in the great lakes.  This would be a good measure to take but only after the fact.  Otherwise it's like shoveling before snowfall.

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 on: December 12, 2017, 07:41:57 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
They (Govt) want to plug the river cheaper $5.9 million versus $270 million Brandon road. they said they jusy close some gate. Either one affects one spot leaving all the other areas wide open for the Asian Carp to spawn 34 states and counting.

  Restoring native wont costs much and it is the solution!

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 on: December 12, 2017, 07:31:01 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
OK see if I can explain. "They" would be the Illinois DNR USGS the people who are living with the Asian Carp etc....

 Now I have a problem with posting but I can give you titles, and yes I understand a pike can clean out a pond but we are not talking about a pond! 
 Diet analysis of native predatory fish to investigate predation of juvenile Asian carp 2016,  Eocsystems Invasive species 2016, Variation in native micro-predator abundance explains recruitment of a mobile invasive fish the common carp in a naturally onstable environment 2016  Per Reveiewed!  Any common carp control methods apply same growth rate as Asian carp eggs juveniles at risk it's a fish predators.

 asian Carp can be controled Duane Chapman, Biologists begin searching Sturgeon bay for Asian carp evidence D. Chapman.

  Pretty much all native species eat asian carp eggs fry juveniles Perch walleye bluegills etc,,,, 
  The invasive species we have 183 at last count are not under control wash your boots and ballast doesn't work !

   The Biotic resistance of the ecosystem is (native predators/fish) gone replaced by invasive species. Check Biotic -resistance!

 Sorry I can't post I put it in and it gone ain't got a clue?

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 on: December 11, 2017, 12:14:44 PM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Neebo
I am with allymad on this.  I don't really understand what you are getting at with some of this.  I guess I need to know what predatory fish you would like to increase and where.  Some of these fish simply cannot exist in large quantities in certain bodies of water, or at all.  IE the grand river will never be a brook trout habitat.  Also, introduction of "lots of predators" will destroy many other species just as fast as introducing asian carp.  You put 1 breeding pair of pike into a small panfish pond and see how long it lasts.

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 on: December 08, 2017, 11:08:39 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by alleymad
well with all due respect there is nothing positive with Asian carp, we should be restocking our native fish to eat these things. Any fish ladder that's attached to a dam that has asian carp? USGS says a Healthy Native Fish population no fish can survive so we make it hard for them to survive, predators lots of predators. If they have 95% asian carp we don't have enough predators!

Maybe I am dense...

"We should be restocking our native fish to eat these things" - which of our native fish?  We stock millions of trout and walleye.  Smallmouth populations are booming.  Lots of places have lowered size limits on pike to control over-population.  Which native fish need to be stocked?

"Any fish ladder that's attached to a dam that has asian carp."  I don't understand what you are saying.  Please clarify so I can intelligently respond.

"USGS says a Healthy Native Fish population no fish can survive so we make it hard for them to survive, predators lots of predators."  Where does the USGS say this?  What predators are they talking about?  Since when is the USGS the authority on fish in Michigan or Wisconsin or anywhere?  Since when do I believe that a federal agency in a different state has my best interests at heart - answer is I don't.  Maybe I am cynical, but no Federal program or agency I am aware of has ever actually accomplished what it set out to do (with the exception, perhaps, of the IRS).  War on drugs?  War on poverty?  War on terror?  Health insurance?  Pretty sure I will need to live to be 100 to be eligible for Social Security...  The federal government cannot save us - local solutions are more effective and more efficient.  As much as I may distrust the State of Michigan as a governmental entity, they rank above the Feds...

"If they have 95% asian carp we don't have enough predators!"  Which "they" are you referring to?  What do "they" have to do with our predators?

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 on: December 08, 2017, 07:48:15 AM 
Started by Gobywan - Last post by Gobywan
well with all due respect there is nothing positive with Asian carp, we should be restocking our native fish to eat these things. Any fish ladder that's attached to a dam that has asian carp? USGS says a Healthy Native Fish population no fish can survive so we make it hard for them to survive, predators lots of predators. If they have 95% asian carp we don't have enough predators!

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