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FishMich News / Re: Invasive species
« on: December 08, 2017, 11:08:39 AM »
well with all due respect there is nothing positive with Asian carp, we should be restocking our native fish to eat these things. Any fish ladder that's attached to a dam that has asian carp? USGS says a Healthy Native Fish population no fish can survive so we make it hard for them to survive, predators lots of predators. If they have 95% asian carp we don't have enough predators!

Maybe I am dense...

"We should be restocking our native fish to eat these things" - which of our native fish?  We stock millions of trout and walleye.  Smallmouth populations are booming.  Lots of places have lowered size limits on pike to control over-population.  Which native fish need to be stocked?

"Any fish ladder that's attached to a dam that has asian carp."  I don't understand what you are saying.  Please clarify so I can intelligently respond.

"USGS says a Healthy Native Fish population no fish can survive so we make it hard for them to survive, predators lots of predators."  Where does the USGS say this?  What predators are they talking about?  Since when is the USGS the authority on fish in Michigan or Wisconsin or anywhere?  Since when do I believe that a federal agency in a different state has my best interests at heart - answer is I don't.  Maybe I am cynical, but no Federal program or agency I am aware of has ever actually accomplished what it set out to do (with the exception, perhaps, of the IRS).  War on drugs?  War on poverty?  War on terror?  Health insurance?  Pretty sure I will need to live to be 100 to be eligible for Social Security...  The federal government cannot save us - local solutions are more effective and more efficient.  As much as I may distrust the State of Michigan as a governmental entity, they rank above the Feds...

"If they have 95% asian carp we don't have enough predators!"  Which "they" are you referring to?  What do "they" have to do with our predators?

FishMich News / Re: Invasive species
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:59:31 PM »
Weirs are different than ladders.  As Neebo said, ladders are a way for fish to make it around a dam so they can continue moving upstream i.e. salmon and steelhead that move out of the lakes and into the rivers to spawn.  Weirs, on the other hand are barriers designed to stop movement upstream.  Weirs are, I believe, specifically designed to take advantage of some aspect of the thing they are trying to stop.  Lamprey weirs are the ones I am most familiar with.

Initially, they tried to use electrical barriers, but it interfered with trout and salmon and was too costly to operate.  After some research, it was determined that a couple of things could be done to stop lampreys but not interfere with salmon and steelhead.  So, they introduced barrier dams with a metal lip on the top - lampreys can't jump over them, but salmon and trout can.  Also, pool type fish ladders were designed that created currents that were too strong for lampreys to swim against but still allowed salmon and trout to get through.

Also, by putting the lamprey barriers in place, it greatly reduced the length of rivers that needed to be chemically treated to control lamprey spawning, making the chemical control process more cost-effective.

My take -

1) These fish will get here.  Just like lampreys, zebra mussels, gobies, etc.
2) No single method will either prevent that from happening nor control it once it does
3) There will most certainly be negative consequences when they get in the Great Lakes, and there will also likely be unforeseen positive consequences.  Until those consequences materialize, it adds nothing to the conversation to dramatize the possible effects with hyperbole.  We can guess all we want, but we cannot know.  Hyperbole delegitimizes concern as a good portion of the folks receiving the hyperbole will immediately discredit it and move to the exact opposite pole, thereby producing a result that is the polar opposite of what was intended.  We can and should be concerned, but, as they say, "reports about my death are greatly exaggerated."

What we should do -

1) Continue to raise awareness, not by over-reaching, but by raising the issue and the uncertainty around the consequences in a realistic manner that is fact-based as opposed to specualtive
2) Continue to press for education about invasive species in general
3) Press for greater enforcement of measures already in place to reduce the threat of introducing invasive species
4) Continue to make a concerted effort to not only study what will likely happen but also how to MITIGATE it once it does, as opposed to focusing on "all or nothing" and "the sky is falling we are all doomed" positions

Just my thoughts.

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Saginaw River - 11/14/2017
« on: November 15, 2017, 10:53:28 AM »
Father in law and I went to Saginaw.  Fished the entire stretch of the river including up the Tittabawassee and all the way to the north side of Saginaw.

Didn't catch anything until we were downstream of 1st street.  Then we caught a gob of walleye.

All small - 5" to 14".  We each got at least 30 fish. 

Fish would hit anything.  Green was working best, along with white and purple.

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Grand River - Webber Dam 10/29/2017
« on: November 01, 2017, 06:54:10 PM »
Got it on a gold colored Shad Rap - fish smoked it as soon as it hit the water - mustíve hit it on the head...

Lost another one due to fish acrobatics.  Got a couple dink walleye there also.

Moved downstream to Lyons to try for some bigger walleye and caught about a dozen smallmouth on Shadow Raps in perch (which I promptly lost) and olive and Jointed Shad Rap in perch.  No walleye.

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Lower Peninsula Fishing / Grand River - Webber Dam 10/29/2017
« on: November 01, 2017, 09:27:25 AM »
First one of the year

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Lower Peninsula Fishing / Grand River - Webber Dam 10/29/2017
« on: October 30, 2017, 12:38:52 PM »
There are some walleye around.  Got one nice keeper on my third cast then fished for a couple hours with nothing.  As soon as the sun went down I landed 3 more dinks and lost another nice keeper. 

Husky Jerks, with the current, just fast enough to get action out of the lure, banging off the rocks, white and firetiger both got bit.  Bite was VERY subtle (like so light it felt like I picked up a leaf on my hook).

No steelhead seen.

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Impromptu Fishing Trip
« on: October 23, 2017, 01:10:50 PM »

Representative of what I have been catching one or two per trip so it seems like itís been a struggle for me...

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Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Impromptu Fishing Trip
« on: October 21, 2017, 05:34:22 PM »
Two little walleye at Webber - the current there is bizarre right now - the water is lower than this time last year but it is ripping over the coffer Dam at about twice the speed.  Very tough for me to fish it effectively because of current dragging my line

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Lower Peninsula Fishing / Impromptu Fishing Trip
« on: October 20, 2017, 03:40:34 PM »
So - I am going to be fishing tonight in the Lyons area, likely going to target some walleye - if any locals are down, I am open to sharing a spot on the river...

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: I can't believe i'm typing this...
« on: October 17, 2017, 08:36:09 PM »
Fished Webber today.  Got 2 walleye that I let go and some bass.  Flow is pretty decent but water is clear enough.  Stupid construction guys kept raising and lowering the flood gates and it kept messing with the current.  That plus the crazy wind made it tough to get a proper pass through the hole.  Lots of big chunks of wood floating by as well...

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Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: I can't believe i'm typing this...
« on: October 16, 2017, 07:17:27 PM »
Visibility at Webber was decent last night but not good enough to gwt much complete dark action.  I got a couple of channel cats on big green Rapala Huskey jerk and there were definitely fish moving.  I got there late so I missed an opportunity, but did see 4 silver cohos on stringers...

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Betsie river last week
« on: October 16, 2017, 09:28:17 AM »
There are fresh silver fish in the Grand at Webber.

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Lyons 9/19
« on: October 14, 2017, 01:30:48 PM »
You CAN get 50 pounders from that section if you really work at it.  I don't have that kind of time though.  Next time you plan a trip to Lyons, get in touch.  I know a place or two.  ;)

Get hold of me too, we will all three throw out a gauntlet of hooks and dare the fish to try and get by...

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Betsie River 9/23
« on: October 11, 2017, 11:40:28 AM »
Saw a pic of a 25# steelhead...  giant... 

Lower Peninsula Fishing / Re: Finally good rain!
« on: October 09, 2017, 10:29:48 AM »

I fished yesterday.  It was up about 2 inches.  Then it went back to where it was....

We need rain every day for a week...

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